055 | 特朗普 vs. 哈佛大学 Trump's war on Harvard
美轮美换 The American Roulette
【聊了什么】
特朗普政府与美国顶尖高校的对决全面升级。从大幅削减联邦拨款，到以“反犹”为名发起调查，再到撤销哈佛大学招收国际学生的SEVP资格，一系列“富有创意”的行政手段，让数万名国际学生和学者的命运悬于一线，也和可能彻底改变美国高校与联邦政府的关系。
这场风暴的背后，是共和党与精英教育长达十年的积怨，还是特朗普政府目标明确的政治策略？面对相似的压力，为何哥伦比亚大学选择“屈服”，而哈佛大学最终奋起反击？
本期节目，我们与持续报道该事件的记者Ava一起，复盘这场震动美国高等教育界的冲突。
播客文字稿（付费会员专享）：https://theamericanroulette.com/trump-war-on-harvard-ivy-league-schools-transcript/
本期节目录制于6月12日。据《纽约时报》6月21日报道，哈佛大学与特朗普政府本周重启谈判，试图解决双方激烈争议。在本周的白宫会议上，哈佛代表展示了学校在反犹主义、观点多样性和招生方面采取的措施，白宫随后发出信函列出了解决冲突的条件。尽管特朗普在社交媒体上声称「很可能在下周左右宣布协议」，但知情人士表示短期内达成协议的可能性不大。可能的协议框架包括政府恢复部分研究资金并停止法律行动，作为交换，哈佛需在反犹主义和观点多样性问题上采取更积极措施。哈佛官员表示，面对政府持续的资金削减和调查威胁，学校几乎别无选择只能寻求和解，尽管这可能招致支持者对其「妥协」的批评。白宫希望与哈佛的协议能成为其他精英大学与政府达成类似协议的框架。
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【时间轴】
00:00:55 特朗普政府与美国精英高校的冲突全面升级
00:02:33 从“刘丽君”到撤销SEVP：特朗普政府如何对哈佛等高校步步紧逼？
00:05:14 “哥大跪了，哈佛没跪”？——哈佛法律反击背后的策略与无奈
00:12:07 SEVP是什么？特朗普政府如何将移民法条文“武器化”？
00:20:21 “教育极化”：共和党为何将精英高校视为“敌人”？
00:28:48 从希望到麻木：留学生在政治风暴中的真实心态
00:30:55 “合法”与“非法”的距离：当有证移民一夜之间身份不保
00:46:57 薛定谔的身份：美国移民政策的高度技术性与“创意性”打击
01:00:06 美国最好的“出口产品”？——高等教育的价值与危机
【我们是谁】
美轮美换是一档深入探讨当今美国政治的中文播客。
我们的主播和嘉宾：
Lokin：美国法学院毕业生，即将成为一名纽约诉讼律师
小华：媒体人
曹起曈：青椒，政治行为研究者
Ava：记者，留子，卫报撰稿人
主播和嘉宾的言论不代表其所在机构或其雇主的观点。
【 What We Talked About】
The confrontation between the Trump administration and America's top universities has escalated. From drastic cuts to federal funding and launching investigations in the name of combating antisemitism, to revoking Harvard University's SEVP certification for enrolling international students, a series of "creative" administrative measures has left the fate of tens of thousands of international students and scholars hanging in the balance, and could fundamentally alter the relationship between American universities and the federal government.
Behind this storm, is it a decade-long resentment from the Republican party towards elite education, or a calculated political strategy by the Trump administration? Faced with similar pressures, why did Columbia University choose to "surrender," while Harvard ultimately fought back?
In this episode, we are joined by journalist Ava, who has been covering this story, to break down the conflict that has shaken the world of American higher education.
Transcript (Paid Members Exclusive): https://theamericanroulette.com/trump-war-on-harvard-ivy-league-schools-transcript/
This episode was recorded on June 12. According to a June 21 report from The New York Times, Harvard University and the Trump administration have resumed negotiations this week to resolve their intense dispute. In a White House meeting this week, Harvard representatives presented the steps the school has taken on antisemitism, viewpoint diversity, and admissions, and the White House subsequently sent a letter outlining the conditions for resolving the conflict. Although Trump claimed on social media that an agreement is "likely to be announced sometime next week," sources familiar with the matter say a short-term deal is unlikely. A potential agreement framework could include the government restoring some research funding and halting legal actions, in exchange for Harvard taking more aggressive measures on antisemitism and viewpoint diversity. Harvard officials have stated that facing continuous funding cuts and the threat of investigations from the government, the university has
little choice but to seek a settlement, even though this may draw criticism from its supporters for "compromising." The White House hopes that an agreement with Harvard can serve as a framework for similar deals with other elite universities.
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【Timeline】
00:00:55 The Trump Administration's Escalating Conflict with Elite U.S. Universities
00:02:33 From "Liu Lijun" to Revoking SEVP: How the Trump Admin Cornered Harvard and Other Universities
00:05:14 "Columbia Caved, Harvard Didn't"? The Strategy and Helplessness Behind Harvard's Legal Fightback
00:12:07 What is SEVP? How the Trump Administration Weaponized Immigration Law
00:20:21 "Educational Polarization": Why the GOP Views Elite Universities as "The Enemy"
00:28:48 From Hope to Numbness: The Real Mindset of International Students in the Political Storm
00:30:55 The Thin Line Between "Legal" and "Illegal": When Documented Immigrants Lose Their Status Overnight
00:46:57 Schrödinger's Status: The Highly Technical and "Creative" Attacks of U.S. Immigration Policy
01:00:06 America's Best "Export"? The Value and Crisis of Higher Education
【Who We Are】
The American Roulette is a podcast dedicated to helping the Chinese-speaking community understand fast-changing U.S. politics.
Our Hosts and Guests:
Lokin: U.S. law school student, incoming NY litigation lawyer
小华 (Xiao Hua): Journalist, political observer
曹起曈 (Thomas Cao): Assistant professor at the Tufts Fletcher School
Ava: Journalist and international student, contributor to The Guardian
The views expressed by the host and guests do not represent the opinions of their employers or any affiliated institutions.
【The Links】
https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/the-uncertain-future-of-a-chinese-student-at-harvard
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/20/us/politics/harvard-federal-funding-trump.html
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/17pdf/17-965_h315.pdf
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