【聊了什么The What】 本期节目，我们与哲学家袁源、友台美轮美换主播Lokin一同过度解读了保罗·托马斯·安德森（Paul Thomas Anderson）很有嚼劲的新作《一战再战》。这部电影是让小杨“撇着嘴进去，真香着出来”的年度惊喜，也是袁源觉得十分“就这”的陈词滥调。我们从加缪的《反叛者》出发，探讨暴力革命的伦理困境：当“妇人之仁”成为罪行，对抽象理念的狂热是否必然以牺牲具体的人为代价？Perfidia是一个挑战观众道德底线的反英雄，还是一位被男性凝视和刻板印象所困的复杂女性？Perfidia式的、为“爽”而战的景观式革命的反面，是否是Sensei式的、根植于邻里互助的日常英雄主义？ For this episode, we invited philosopher Yuan Yuan and Lokin to join us in over-interpreting Paul Thomas Anderson’s chewy new film One Battle After Another. It’s a movie that some of us walked into with doubts and walked out of utterly charmed, while others find it to be a thoroughly “meh” bundle of clichés. Starting from Camus’s The Rebel, we dig into the ethical dilemmas of revolutionary violence: when “womanly compassion” becomes a crime, does fervor for an abstract ideal inevitably demand the sacrifice of concrete human lives? Is Perfidia a boundary-pushing anti-hero who defies our moral expectations, or a complex woman trapped within male gaze and stereotype? And if Perfidia’s spectacle-driven, pleasure-forward revolution is one end of the spectrum, is its opposite the Sensei style—an everyday heroism grounded in neighborly mutual aid? 【时间轴 The When】 * 00:00 电影《一战再战》剧情速览和第一印象 * 10:23 为何将60年代的革命美学平移到2008年让人“不买账”？ * 22:34 暴力革命的道德思辨：电影中的革命行动是否满足“正义的目标”、“必要性”与“相称性”？ * 31:33 Perfidia是刻板印象还是反英雄？ * 54:12 Willa打破父辈创伤的循环了吗？ * 58:03 “非盈利蛇头”Sensei和日常的英雄主义 * 67:07 对白人至上主义的辛辣讽刺 * 78:47 结局：这也能大团圆 * 00:00 Quick plot recap of One Battle After Another and our initial reactions * 10:23 Why does transplanting 1960s revolutionary aesthetics into 2008 feel so unconvincing? * 22:34 Moral reasoning around violent revolution: do the film’s actions satisfy “just cause,” “necessity,” and “proportionality”? * 31:33 Perfidia: sexualized or anti-hero? * 54:12 Does Willa break the cycle of her parents’ trauma? * 58:03 The “non-profit coyote” Sensei and the quiet heroism of the everyday * 67:07 A sharp satire of white supremacism * 78:47 The ending: …so this counts as a happy ending? 【拓展链接 The Links】 * Liberalism in Dark Times: The Liberal Ethos in the Twentieth Century * The Rebel: An Essay on Man in Revolt * Vineland 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： * 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * 商务合作邮箱：[email protected] * 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: * Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * Those in China: https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * Business Inquiries Email: [email protected] * Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022 Support on Patreon | 爱发电上赞助

【聊了什么The What】 本期节目，小蓝和小杨将自己“逼到墙角”，聊一聊让我们甘心情愿入坑的国际K-Pop女团KATSEYE。这个由六个截然不同的文化背景、肤色成员组成的团体出道曲成绩优异，而且靠hyperpop单曲“Gnarly”迅速出圈，已经成为美国炙手可热的新人偶像。她们身上那种“全校最漂亮的mean girls跟你天下第一好”的鲜活与“有病又有梗”的魅力与以往的女团相比更松弛、自由。 但同时，KATSEYE也代表着K-pop全球扩张战略“质变”的一个成功样本——HYBE和Geffin Records强强联手不仅是韩美资本的一场盛大联姻，更是一个将K-pop工业化造星体系移植到美国本土的庞大实验。我们跟随着出道纪录片《Popstar Academy》，见证这场巨大的“楚门秀”如何将活生生、充满棱角的女孩们锻造成精美的商品。在这套精密运作的资本逻辑下，“人”与“商品”的边界变得模糊，友谊、梦想与自我认同被撕裂，作为娱乐献祭给全球观众。从成员选拔中无法掩盖的地缘政治与种族“拼色游戏”，到闵熙珍与HYBE的冲突所揭示的平台垄断与创作者困境，我们探讨K-pop这套“反人性”却极致高效的体系在全球复制时，究竟是在输出文化，还是在输出一套更精密的规训与控制？ In this episode, Xiao Lan and Xiao Yang dive into KATSEYE, the international K-pop girl group that's completely hooked us. This six-member group debuted to chart success and broke into the mainstream with hyperpop single "Gnarly." They radiate a chaotic, meme-able charm—"the prettiest mean girls who are also ride-or-die for you"—that feels more relaxed and subversive than previous girl groups. But KATSEYE also represents K-pop's global expansion "qualitative shift." The HYBE and Geffen Records collaboration transplants K-pop's industrialized star-making system onto American soil. Their Netflix documentary Popstar Academy was a "Truman Show" forging strong personalities into polished products, where the line between "person" and "commodity" blurs. From market-driven diversity in member selection to Min Hee-jin's conflict with HYBE exposing creator struggles, we ask: is K-pop exporting culture—or a sophisticated apparatus of exploitation and control? 【时间轴 The When】 * 02:32 - 04:55 - KATSEYE 是个什么样的女团？ * 04:55 - 10:49 - Gnarly歌曲制作中加入不雅声音引发的巨大争议，行业应该如何对待未成年偶像 * 10:49 - 13:30 - KATSEYE成员台上和台下的反差魅力，“发疯”的Gen-Z女团来整顿韩娱了 * 13:30 - 18:47 - 纪录片《Popstar Academy》的“楚门秀”式选秀、K-pop严苛的训练体系如何与美国文化碰撞 * 18:47 - 28:31 - Manon的角色弧光与争议：不努力是偶像最大的原罪吗？ * 28:31 - 45:19 - 选秀的残酷本质、地缘政治与种族配额：国籍、市场等因素如何决定谁能出道 * 45:19 - 53:37 - HYBE x Geffen资本联姻背后的商业模式、全球扩张野心 * 53:37 - 59:19 - NEWJEANS 的官司里闵熙珍与HYBE的争议是创新、复制与控制权的根本矛盾 * 59:19 - 69:54 - K-pop的造星方法论走向世界的过程中会去芜存菁吗？ * 02:32 - 04:55 - Who is KATSEYE? The Korean-American entertainment powerhouse deal behind the group * 04:55 - 10:49 - The "Gnarly" controversy: Why explicit sounds in the track sparked massive backlash * 10:49 - 13:30 - KATSEYE's duality: How this "unhinged" Gen-Z girl group is disrupting K-pop norms * 13:30 - 18:47 - Popstar Academy's reality TV manipulation and K-pop's brutal training system meets American culture * 18:47 - 28:31 - Manon's journey and the backlash: Is "not trying hard enough" the ultimate idol crime? * 28:31 - 45:19 - Beyond talent: How geopolitics, racial quotas, and market appeal really determine who debuts * 45:19 - 53:37 - HYBE × Geffen: Unpacking the business strategy and global ambitions * 53:37 - 59:19 - The NewJeans conflict: Innovation vs. imitation and the battle for creative control * 59:19 - 69:54 - Can K-pop's factory system evolve as it goes global—or will it just export the same problems? 【拓展链接 The Links】 * The fued between Min Hee-Jin (NJZ) and HYBE, a timeline * "Gnarly" MV * KATSEYE 的综艺（Warning: 很吵） * ”Machine Girl“ 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： * 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * 商务合作邮箱：[email protected] * 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: * Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * Those in China: https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * Business Inquiries Email: [email protected] * Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022 Support on Patreon | 爱发电上赞助

【聊了什么The What】 Sean Baker导演的《Anora》讲述了一个布鲁克林性工作者阿诺拉将信将疑地踏上现代版灰姑娘的南瓜马车，却没想到渡过了人生最疲惫的24小时加班的故事。2024年的我们和Anora一样，都心知肚明在当代的美国，老套“救风尘”的故事已经是一个骗局。在我们看来，这是一个细腻而富有共鸣的故事。Baker和演员一起塑造了一个狡黠的、天真的、完全能为自己做主的年轻女孩，故事中的细节：无论是南布鲁克林的景观、Anora东欧移民的背景、还是电影中年轻人真诚的愚蠢，让这个故事能够打动哪怕是我们中最愤世嫉俗的人。结局的那一刻，Anora和我们都明白，那辆充满寓言意味的南瓜马车并非跨越阶级的虫洞，一切落幕之后，Anora获得了可能比钻石戒指更珍贵的东西 — 看清了自己是谁以及她能做到什么。终章之处，南瓜马车驶过，留下的不是阶级虫洞的幻影，是比钻戒更为珍贵的馈赠——Anora在这场冒险中看到了真实的自己，大起大落之后她并没有失去为自己挣出未来的无限可能。 Sean Baker's latest film "Anora" follows a Brooklyn sex worker who steps into a modern-day Cinderella story, only to find herself enduring the most exhausting few days of her life. In 2024, both we and Anora know full well that the classic "Pretty Woman" narrative is a sexist and tiresome trope. But Baker manages to tell a nuanced, relatable story through Anora. The specificity of it — Southern Brooklyn's landscapes, her immigrant background, and the genuine innocence and naivety of youth — allows this story to warm the heart of even the most cynical among us. In the end, the proverbial pumpkin carriage isn't an invitation to cross class lines, but a journey of self-realization. 本期节目由【大人糖】赞助播出。新的一年即将来临，假期旅游成本高，那不如先尝试一下大人糖家的新品拂悦？ This episode is sponsored by the female sexual wellness brand OSUGA. Tune in to hear our thoughts on their newest sex toy "Osurging." 🎉【听众专属福利】 对大人糖新品感兴趣的朋友们，可通过以下2种方式获得专属优惠，拂悦原价359元，领券后到手价299元，备注【疲惫娇娃】还可额外赠送99元大礼包，同时之前推荐的小海豹和兔子月这次也可享专属优惠价哦，具体可以点击链接查看详情哦✌ 1. 点击这里跳转或复制这整段口令【97￥TEDQ3zak3zU￥】到淘宝领专属优惠券，下单直接满减 2. 淘宝搜索【大人糖旗舰店】，私信客服，报暗号【疲惫娇娃】领专属券下单 🌟重要提示！ 1、下单时记得一定要备注【疲惫娇娃】才会随单一起送出礼包哦！ 2、部分苹果手机是最新系统的听友可能会遇到口令无法跳转的情况，选择第2种方式购买也可以 另外！考虑到我们有部分海外听众，可通过点击➡ Osuga，下单输入优惠码【疲惫娇娃】可立减15%，但到手价格&优惠政策与国内不同享哦，有需要的朋友们可以自由选择 [4940fb74cc485a69a01efd195017346f.jpg] 【时间轴 The When】 * 00:08:41 导演Sean Baker的独特视角:边缘人群的故事 * 00:13:41 安妮 vs. 阿诺拉: 脱衣舞娘与东欧移民的两个面向 * 00:32:27 性工作在不同文化语境下的讨论差异 * 00:42:21 天真与成长:安妮对辛德瑞拉式爱情的幻想与觉醒 * 00:48:54 Vanya的童真与残忍:一个未长大的富二代形象 * 00:56:52 Igor的复杂性:暴力与温情并存的打手 * 01:07:37 结尾镜头的突破和深意 * 00:08:41 Sean Baker's Unique Perspective: Stories from Society's Margins * 00:13:41 Ani vs. Anora: Dual Perspectives of a Stripper and Eastern European Immigrant * 00:32:27 Sex Work: Cultural Context Differences * 00:42:21 Innocence and Growth: Ani's Cinderella Fantasy and Awakening * 00:48:54 Vanya's Childlike Cruelty: Portrait of an Immature Trust Fund Kid * 00:56:52 Igor's Complexity: The Enforcer's Balance of Violence and Tenderness * 01:07:37 The Final Shot's Deeper Meaning 【拓展链接 The Links】 * [红莺歌 Red Canary Song] (https://www.redcanarysong.net/) * Mikey Madison Declined an Intimacy Coordinator on ‘Anora,’ but Professionals Say There Should Always Be One: Actors and Directors ‘Can’t Speak for How Every Extra Felt’ 【疲惫红书 CyberRed】 除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。 Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu! 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： * 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * 商务合作邮箱：[email protected] * 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: * Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * Those in China: https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * Business Inquiries Email: [email protected] * Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022 Support on Patreon | 爱发电上赞助

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