【聊了什么 The What】 从扫腿舞到“宝宝上车啦”，从《万物生》到《溯》，最近只要刷过短视频，基本都被这几首团播神曲洗脑过。和传统的单人直播不一样，团播把帅哥美女放在同一个画面里，一起跳舞、互动、PK，更像一档随时在直播的偶像综艺。 从这期节目开始，我们想要和大家多聊聊我们三个共同关注到的互联网现象。第一次尝试，就从团播为什么这么火聊起。主播怎么被训练和安排，观众为什么愿意持续打赏，平台规则又在其中起到了什么作用？我们也会聊到团播和日韩偶像选秀之间的相似之处，以及“养成系”粉丝关系在直播间里是怎么被放大的。通过团播，或许我们能看到的是，在经济下行、注意力经济当道的大背景下，亲密感和陪伴感是否被赋予了新的意义。 From leg-sweep dances to catchphrases like “Baby, hop on,” and from All Things Grow to Backflow (N.B. all of these are too Chinese to translate), anyone who’s scrolled through short-video apps lately has likely had these group-streaming hits stuck in their head. Unlike traditional solo livestreams, group streaming features multiple attractive hosts in the same frame—dancing together, interacting, and competing in real-time—feeling more like an idol variety show that never goes off air. With this episode, we’re starting a new series where the three of us talk through internet phenomena we’ve all been noticing. For our first try, we’re diving into why group streaming has taken off so quickly. We look at how hosts are trained and managed, why viewers keep tipping and voting, and how platform rules shape these behaviors. We also unpack the similarities between group streaming and Japanese and Korean idol survival shows, and how “idol-training” style fan relationships are amplified inside livestreams. Through the lens of group streaming, we explore how intimacy and companionship are being redefined in an era of economic pressure and attention-driven platforms. 【时间轴 The When】 * 00:02:31 团播初体验？从奇观化视角看待新兴网络文化 * 00:07:53 团播的吸引力源泉：表演美学与竞争关系 * 00:13:22 从元气萌妹到性感欲姐，满足受众投射需求 * 00:16:47 看不见的场控：制作人角色与权力分配的奇妙结构 * 00:19:00 从选秀到团播：审美降级还是交互升级？ * 00:26:30 团播与偶像产业的连接：日韩偶像大不同 * 00:31:57 团播如何撕去偶像养成的最后一层遮羞布 * 00:39:04 团播的软色情属性与“救风尘” * 00:45:32 从亚文化到主流，团播如何融入主流娱乐产业？ * 00:02:31 First time with Group Streaming: Viewing an Emerging Online Culture as Spectacle * 00:07:53 What Makes Group Streaming So Addictive: Performance Aesthetics and Built-In Competition * 00:13:22 From Cute and Bubbly to Bold and Sexy: Fulfilling Audience Fantasies and Projections * 00:16:47 The Invisible Hands Behind the Scenes: Producers, Control, and Power Dynamics * 00:19:00 From Idol Survival Shows to Group Streaming: A Step Down in Taste or an Upgrade in Interaction * 00:26:30 Group Streaming and the Idol Industry: How It Differs from K-Pop and J-Pop * 00:31:57 How Group Streaming Strips Away the Last Layer of Idol-Making Illusions * 00:39:04 The Soft-Porn Undertones of Group Streaming and the “Savior” Narrative * 00:45:32 From Subculture to the Mainstream: How Group Streaming Is Becoming Part of the Entertainment Industry 【我们是谁 Who We Are】 新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。 * 马修：一个网瘾晚期的全职养猫人 * 杜安蕤：一个想当裁缝的科技/文化撰稿人 * 一闻：一个对地铁比手机更上瘾的记者 【拓展链接 The Links】 * 澎湃新闻：有人看团播花120万元，阿姨团爷爷团都来了，团播进入“群魔乱舞”时代 * 36氪：从「扫腿」到「上车」，团播火了几支舞 * 欠薪、擦边、违约金，困在“团播”里的年轻人 * 我在卡卡团播间嗑CP：3000万打赏一个月BE * 多个头部团解散，团播进入调整期？ 【支持我们 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意支持我们： * 海外用户：patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl * 海内用户：afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod * 商务合作邮箱：[email protected] If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: * Those Abroad: patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl * Those in China: afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod * Business Inquiries Email: [email protected]

【聊了什么 The What】 大家好，我是从火人节回来的一闻，我已经蜕变了（不是。 从黑石城回来的那一天，我在新新人类群聊里说：“朋友们，不幸的消息：这大概是我这辈子过的最棒的一周。” 在诸多主流叙事中，每年八月底在美国内华达州举办的火人节（Burning Man），就是一场放任自由主义（Libertarianism）的精英狂欢。我过去也因为它和硅谷之间的精神与文化纽带，对它有过先入为主的成见。而如果你告诉去年的我，我会在沙漠里坚持八天不洗澡，我一定不会相信。但事实上，在这一周里，我放声痛哭过，也开怀大笑过。我在燃烧的熊熊烈火中，看到了让灵魂为之颤栗的景象。在狂风暴雨之间，我也感受到了人与人之间最简单、真诚和美好的联系。这一切，都彻底改变了我对火人节的印象。 但在我们聊黑石城的魔幻与灵性的同时，我们也不可避免的要提到这场起源于嬉皮士精神的活动在逐渐主流化、现代化的过程中所经历的变化。在这期播客中，我们探讨了资本主义逻辑之下“假期”的概念，与建立乌托邦所需要的经济成本。安蕤也分享了她所经历的一次位于黑山的生活实验，引发了我们对于社群建构的探讨。为什么这些精神实验总有一个截止日期？在控制变量环境下，人与人之间的善意，又是否能被带回现实世界？ Hi everyone, this is Yiwen reporting back from Burning Man. The day I returned from Black Rock City, I wrote in our Pixel Perfect group chat: “Friends, I regret to report that this may actually be the best week of my life.” In mainstream narratives, Burning Man — held every late August in Nevada’s desert — is often seen as an elitist playground for libertarianists. I used to think the same, especially because of its deep cultural and spiritual ties with Silicon Valley. And if you had told me last year that I’d spend eight days in the desert without showering, I would never have believed you. Yet over that week, I cried my eyes out, laughed until my stomach hurt, and stood before burning flames that made my soul tremble. In the middle of storms and rain, I also felt the most simple, genuine, and beautiful forms of human connection. All of this completely changed my view of Burning Man. But alongside the magic and spirituality of Black Rock City, we can’t avoid talking about how this countercultural gathering — rooted in hippie ideals — has evolved as it’s become more mainstream and modernized. In this episode, we explore the idea of “vacation” under capitalism and the economic cost of creating utopias. Anrui also shares her experience living in a temporary community during Zuzalu, which sparked our discussion on intentional community building. Why do these social experiments always have an expiration date? And in a controlled environment, can the kindness people show each other actually be carried back into the real world? 【时间轴 The When】 * 00:01:37: 来到黑石城：火人节到底是什么样的体验？ * 00:08:43: 从沙漠下暴雨到灵魂共鸣 * 00:11:36: 火人节的精神核心：十项原则 * 00:26:11: 在沙漠，消融的身份标识 * 00:33:46: 乌托邦的成本：创造纯粹社会体验所需的经济现实 * 00:36:21: 黑山、Zuzalu和临时城市 * 00:39:42: 硅谷精英如何火人节形成了特殊的连结 * 00:56:31: 为什么我们能在控制环境中体验善意，却难以带回现实生活？ * 00:01:37 — What is the Burning Man experience really like? * 00:08:43 — From desert rainstorms to spiritual resonance * 00:11:36 — The spiritual core of Burning Man: The Ten Principles * 00:26:11 — In the desert, dissolving identity markers * 00:33:46 — The cost of utopia: The economic reality behind creating a “pure” social experience * 00:36:21 — Montenegro, Zuzalu, and the rise of temporary cities * 00:39:42 — How Silicon Valley elites form unique connections at Burning Man * 00:56:31 — Why can we experience kindness in controlled environments, yet struggle to carry it back into real life? 【我们是谁 Who We Are】 新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。 * 马修：一个网瘾晚期的全职养猫人 * 杜安蕤：一个想当裁缝的科技/文化撰稿人 * 一闻：一个对地铁比手机更上瘾的记者 【支持我们 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意支持我们： * 海外用户：patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl * 海内用户：afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod * 商务合作邮箱：[email protected] If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: * Those Abroad: patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl * Those in China: afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod * Business Inquiries Email: [email protected]

【聊了什么 The What】 他是 1997 年出生的硅谷新贵，28 岁就坐上了 Meta 首席 AI 官的位置。Alexandr Wang 从 MIT 辍学创业，到打造独角兽 Scale AI，一路高歌猛进。但相比履历，他的性格更耐人寻味：既是奥赛极客，又是派对常客；他不仅在硅谷的人脉网络中游刃有余，还在更为传统、精英的华盛顿为公司争取来了国防合同。同时，他也提出了争议极大的MEI（能力、卓越、智慧）招聘原则——这究竟是出于真心，还是精心的权力游戏？ 本期，我们请到了Scale AI早期员工小蒋，透过第一手经历，聊聊这位“机会主义者”如何在极客与政客之间切换，在硅谷风口中找到属于自己的位置。 更正：节目中提到Meta Superintelligence Labs更名为TBD Lab，根据最新报道，TBD Lab是Meta Superintelligence Labs的一个部门 He is a rising star of Silicon Valley, born in 1997 and already serving as Meta’s Chief AI Officer at just 28. From dropping out of MIT to founding the unicorn Scale AI, Alexandr Wang’s ascent has been nothing short of meteoric. But beyond the dazzling résumé, his personality is far more intriguing: both an Olympiad geek and a party regular; equally adept at navigating Silicon Valley’s social networks and lobbying the more traditional, elite circles of Washington to secure defense contracts. He also introduced the highly controversial MEI (Merit, Excellence, Intelligence) hiring principle—was this a genuine belief, or a calculated power play? In this episode, we’re joined by Xiao Jiang, an early employee of Scale AI, who shares first-hand stories about how this “opportunist” moves fluidly between geeks and politicians, carving out his place at the very heart of Silicon Valley’s AI boom. Correction: The program mentioned that Meta Superintelligence Labs was renamed to TBD Lab. According to the latest reports, TBD Lab is a division of Meta Superintelligence Labs. 【购票链接 The Link】 Destination Undefined — 新戏胞剧团 【时间轴 The When】 * 00:02:44 – 谁是Alexandr Wang * 00:04:10 – Meta收购Scale股份与AI人才大战 * 00:07:33 – Alex作为二代华人移民的早年经历 * 00:09:18 – 从MIT辍学到加入YC及创业 * 00:12:23 – 早期员工爆料：对Alex的初印象和面试风格 * 00:26:11 – 数据标注的难度与护城河 * 00:31:31 – 劳工争议与运营挑战 * 00:37:11 – Alex Wang与Sam Altman的关系 * 00:40:52 – 转向国防与政治姿态 * 00:50:45 – DEI vs. MEI 争议 * 00:57:12 – Alex与扎克伯格的关系 * 01:03:09 – Super Intelligence Lab未来将会如何？ * 00:02:44 – Who is Alexandr Wang * 00:04:10 – Meta’s acquisition of Scale shares and the AI talent war * 00:07:33 – Alex’s early years as a second-generation Chinese immigrant * 00:09:18 – From dropping out of MIT to joining YC and starting a company * 00:12:23 – Early employee insights: first impressions of Alex and his interview style * 00:26:11 – The difficulty and moat of data labeling * 00:31:31 – Labor disputes and operational challenges * 00:37:11 – Alexandr Wang’s relationship with Sam Altman * 00:40:52 – Shift toward defense and political positioning * 00:50:45 – The DEI vs. MEI controversy * 00:57:12 – Alex and Mark Zuckerberg’s relationship * 01:03:09 – What’s next for the Super Intelligence Lab? 【我们是谁 Who We Are】 新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。 * 马修：一个网瘾晚期的全职养猫人 * 杜安蕤：一个想当裁缝的科技/文化撰稿人 * 一闻：一个对地铁比手机更上瘾的记者 本期嘉宾： * 小蒋：人工智能从业者，Scale AI早期员工 【拓展链接 The Links】 * The Information：《名声、争议与财富：亿万富翁 Alexandr Wang 硅谷崛起全记录》 - Fortune：《走近 Alexandr Wang 的崛起与 Meta 斥资 140 亿美元的豪赌》 * Forbes：《22 岁创始人如何把 Scale AI 打造成数十亿美元企业》 【支持我们 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意支持我们： * 海外用户：patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl * 海内用户：afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod * 商务合作邮箱：[email protected] If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: * Those Abroad: patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl * Those in China: afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod * Business Inquiries Email: [email protected]

【聊了什么The What】 当你的Twitter feed成精，会拍出一部怎样的电影？答案就是HBO的新电影《Mountainhead》。 本期节目，我们和疲惫娇娃和美轮美换共同畅聊这部《继承之战》导演的最新力作。雪山豪宅里的四个科技巨头，一边俯瞰着因自家AI而陷入动荡的世界，一边上演着堪比现实硅谷大佬群聊的扯皮与交锋。为什么说这部电影像是“All-in Podcast”成了精？四个主角如何分别对应现实中的硅谷大佬们？当硅谷tech bro提起“有效加速主义”（E/acc）、创始人主权（Founder Sovereignty）与“大教堂”（The Cathedral）黑话时，他们到底在说什么？改变世界的宏愿如何一步步成为“想当皇帝”的委婉表达？如何用第一性原理重新发明公交车？ What kind of movie would your Twitter feed make if it came to life? The answer might just be HBO’s new film Mountainhead. In this episode, we team up with our friends at 疲惫娇娃CyberPink and 美轮美换 American Roulette to dive into the latest work by the director of Succession. Set in a luxurious alpine mansion, the film follows four tech moguls as they gaze down at a world spiraling into chaos—thanks to their own AI creations—while engaging in arguments and power plays that feel eerily reminiscent of a real-life Silicon Valley group chat. Why does this film feel like the All-In Podcast personified? Which of the four characters map onto real-world tech titans? And when these Silicon Valley tech bros throw around buzzwords like "Effective Accelerationism (E/acc)," "Founder Sovereignty," and "The Cathedral"—what are they really talking about? How do lofty ambitions to "change the world" morph into thinly veiled power grabs? And what does it mean to reinvent public transportation from first principles? 【时间轴 The When】 * 03:39 我们最喜欢的编剧把我们的推特故事线拍成电影了 * 08:15 四位主角是如何“缝合”现实中的硅谷大佬们？ * 15:56 硅谷意识形态的转变：从商业逻辑到宗教信仰 * 32:29 科技大佬的权力渴望与“大教堂”、“创始人主权”、“Luxury Belief” * 42:30 渴望权力，却又想逃避责任的Tech Bro文化 * 54:29 警惕权力的新外衣与我们应有的警惕 * 03:39 Our favorite screenwriter turns our Twitter storylines into a movie * 08:15 How the four protagonists are “stitched together” from real-life Silicon Valley moguls * 15:56 The ideological shift in Silicon Valley: from business logic to religious belief * 32:29 Tech elites’ thirst for power: “The Cathedral,” “Founder Sovereignty,” and “Luxury Beliefs” * 42:30 The Tech Bro dilemma—craving power while dodging responsibility * 54:29 The new disguise of power and why we must remain vigilant 【拓展链接 The Links】 * [Peter Thiel被问到“你希望人类继续持续下去对吧？”的迟疑爆红视频] * 小华提到的漫画：“参议院的老板们”——1889 [image.png] 【我们是谁 Who We Are】 新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。 * 马修：一个网瘾晚期的全职养猫人 * 杜安蕤：一个想当裁缝的科技/文化撰稿人 * 一闻：一个对地铁比手机更上瘾的记者 【支持我们 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意支持我们： * 海外用户：patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl * 海内用户：afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod * 商务合作邮箱：[email protected] If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: * Those Abroad: patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl * Those in China: afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod * Business Inquiries Email: [email protected]