【聊了什么The What】 这一期节目里，两位从小看网文长大的主播马修和一闻终于有机会交流他们当年痴迷网文的故事。从男频到女频，唐家三少到水千丞，沧月到郭敬明，晋江到知乎，马修和一闻给严肃文学爱好者安蕤一点点科普网文的前世今生，最后安蕤才意识到她其实也看过不少网文，只不过是以纸质书的形式。 让我们没想到的是，当年专属于年轻人的 guilty pleasure 竟然一步步发展成了价值千亿的文化产业，原本的 txt 文件和文字中的人物变成了现在全球大火的电视剧和一线明星，我们的消费方式也从白嫖变成付费，单章购买变成付费订阅，结果又被互联网大厂带回免费阅读时代。到了今天，没有几个人能逃过网文的文化影响，网文不再是只配在被窝里看的小众爱好了，那它算不算完成了对严肃文学的复仇？ In this episode, Matthew and Yiwen finally got the chance to exchange their stories of webnovel obsession. We gave Anrui, a fan of serious literature, a crash course on the past and future of webnovels—genres, top authors, online platforms—only for Anrui to realize that she has, indeed, read webnovels too. The development trajectory of webnovels has exceeded our wildest imagination. It grew from a guilty pleasure exclusive to young people to a cultural industry worth billions of dollars. What was once .txt files and the characters within them have now transformed into globally popular TV shows and A-list celebrities. Our consumption habits have also evolved from reading for free to paying, from single-chapter purchases to subscription models; now, big techs have brought us back to the era of free reading. Today, few can escape the cultural influence of webnovels. It’s no longer just a niche hobby—so has it, in a sense, taken its revenge on serious literature? 【时间轴 The When】 01:45 聊聊当年在被窝里看小说的日子 07:20 网文入门指南，男频、女频、耽美、凡人流这些都是什么 17:12 爽感与羞耻感：为什么我们觉得网文上不了台面？ 21:54 网文率先开发出健康的内容付费生态 36:06 万物皆可网文：Lofter、最小说、甚至知乎？！ 48:35 男读者和女读者眼里不同的耽美文 01:01:55 火遍全球的《陈情令》 1:13:24 灵魂之问：网文登上大雅之堂了吗？ 01:45 Who hasn’t read webnovels past bedtime as a teenager 07:20 Webnovel 101: WTH are “nanpin,” “nüpin,” “danmei,” and “fanreliu”? 17:12 The pleasure and shame of a webnovel reader 21:54 How webnovel built a sustainable monetization business model 36:06 Reading webnovels on the most unlikely platforms: Lofter, Top Novel, and Zhihu?! 48:35 Danmei literature in the eyes of men and women 01:01:55 The unstoppable success of The Untamed 01:13:24 The million-dollar question: Are webnovels considered highbrow now? 【拓展链接 The Links】 品玩：喊了几年免费的网文，现在又开始要收你钱了 Vox记者Aja Romano对《陈情令》的英文报道 嘻嘻里买家俱乐部：网文世界源远流长，最后依旧起点飞升与晋江水长 【我们是谁 Who We Are】 新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。 * 马修：一个网瘾晚期的全职养猫人 * 杜安蕤：一个想当裁缝的科技/文化撰稿人 * 一闻：一个对地铁比手机更上瘾的记者 【支持我们 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意支持我们： * 海外用户：patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl * 海内用户：afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod * 商务合作邮箱：[email protected] If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: * Those Abroad: patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl * Those in China: afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod * Business Inquiries Email: [email protected]

【聊了什么The What】 新新人类的三位主播都是小红书重度用户。在这期播客中，安蕤，一闻和马修坐下聊了聊这个不知不觉中已经与我们的生活不可分割的软件。从2013年成立至今，小红书已经不仅仅是一个社交媒体应用，更是一个具有搜索引擎性质的，庞大且多元的内容宇宙。我们几个从最初的怀疑到最终的沉迷，在到现在的“万事可问小红书”，小红书到底是怎么养我们的？ 从产品角度来说，小红书是中国的 Instagram 吗？为什么双列信息流这么有效？这些功能如何促成社区感和信任感？为什么海外复刻小红书的尝试屡败屡战？从文化影响来说，小红书如何塑造了中国年轻人消费和分享信息的方式? 在小红书上，我们见证了娱乐圈“真人”的兴起、算法语言的流行和对于审美文化的过度追求——这究竟是好是坏？小红书让我们都完犊子了吗？ In this episode, we're diving into Xiaohongshu (RED), the app that has become deeply intertwined with our daily lives. It's more than just a social media app; it's a massive universe where people can find information, share experiences, and seek inspiration for all aspects of life—from discovering the best restaurants in Beijing to seeking advice dealing with DMV in LA. Is Xiaohongshu China's Instagram? Why is the parallel feed layout so effective? How do these features foster a sense of community and trust? We also discussed its cultural impact: how has Xiaohongshu shaped the way urban Chinese youth share and consume information? 【时间轴 The When】 05:15 从海淘攻略到搜索引擎——小红书的演变 11:31 在小红书上发帖的心理和对算法的信任 22:34 为什么海外还没出现类似小红书的产品? 30:50 小红书上的"算法语言AlgoSpeak"和美貌焦虑文化 49:52 种草文化导致的同质化和软文泛滥：搜索引擎的信任危机？ 42:10 分享最近在小红书上看到的有趣内容 05:15 - Xiaohongshu's evolution: From overseas shopping guide to search engine 11:31 - The psychology behind posting on Xiaohongshu and trust in its algorithm 22:34 - Why hasn't a similar product to Xiaohongshu emerged overseas? 30:50 - "AlgoSpeak" on Xiaohongshu and the culture of beauty anxiety 49:52 - Homogenization and sponsored content overload: A crisis of trust in search engines? 42:10 - Sharing recent interesting content found on Xiaohongshu 【拓展链接 The Links】 小红书十年：从小众需求到大众生活 小红书曲折的商业化之路 【我们是谁 Who We Are】 新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。 * 马修：一个网瘾晚期的全职养猫人 * 杜安蕤：一个想当裁缝的科技/文化撰稿人 * 一闻：一个对地铁比手机更上瘾的记者 【支持我们 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意支持我们： * 海外用户：patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl * 海内用户：afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod * 商务合作邮箱：[email protected] If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: * Those Abroad: patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl * Those in China: afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod * Business Inquiries Email: [email protected]

【聊了什么The What】 与网络一起长大的我们，终于忍不住要对播客下手了。我们（安蕤、马修和一闻）是三个生活在美国的新生代科技记者。毫不夸张地说，我们的成长经历是和互联网、科技以及社交媒体密不可分的。那么，从古早Windows游戏到人工智能应用，我们与技术的关系经历了什么样的变化？我们又是怎么成为科技记者的？当科技从边缘走向中心，谁能定义科技新闻的边界？在平台重塑媒体格局的今天，如何讲述一个更立体的科技故事？这期节目是我们的自我介绍，也是我们对这档播客的未来的畅想。如果这是你第一次发现我们：欢迎来到新新人类播客，我们是你的网上邻居。 We have a podcast! We—Anrui, Matthew, and Yiwen—are three Gen-Zish tech reporters who grew up in China and now live in the U.S. It’s no exaggeration to say that our formative years were deeply intertwined with the internet, technology, and social media. So, how has our relationship with technology evolved, from early Windows games to AI applications? How did we become tech reporters? As technology shifts from the fringes to the mainstream, who gets to define the boundaries of tech journalism? And in an era where platforms are reshaping the media landscape, how can we tell more multidimensional stories about technology? This episode is our self-introduction and a glimpse into our vision for this podcast. If this is your first time discovering us: welcome to Pixel Perfect. We’re your neighbors on the internet. 【时间轴 The When】 * 00:03:02 老年Gen Z的互联网记忆：从QQ空间到电脑机房 * 00:14:51 长大以后成为科技记者的偶然与必然 * 00:23:31 媒体，社交媒体和新时代信息获取方式的革命性转变 * 00:31:03 硅谷与科技媒体关系的演变 * 00:49:30 对中文科技媒体的观察 * 00:56:37 科技报道的本质：不止于技术本身的思考 * 01:14:32 播客的愿景：提供不爹的科技观察视角 * 00:03:02 Memories of the internet as an older Gen Z: From QQ Space to computer labs * 00:14:51 The coincidences and inevitabilities of becoming a tech journalist * 00:23:31 Media, social media, and the revolutionary changes in how we access information * 00:31:03 The evolution of the relationship between Silicon Valley and tech media * 00:49:30 Observations on Chinese tech media * 00:56:37 The essence of tech reporting: Thoughts beyond the technology itself * 01:14:32 The vision for the podcast: Offering a non-condescending perspective on tech observations 【拓展链接 The Links】 * Taylor Lorenz – User Mag * Interneting with Amanda Hess * 人物 - 外卖骑手，困在系统里 【我们是谁 Who We Are】 新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。 * 马修：一个网瘾晚期的全职养猫人 * 杜安蕤：一个想当裁缝的科技/文化撰稿人 * 一闻：一个对地铁比手机更上瘾的记者 【支持我们 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意支持我们： * 海外用户：patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl * 海内用户：afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod * 商务合作邮箱：[email protected] If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: * Those Abroad: patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl * Those in China: afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod * Business Inquiries Email: [email protected]