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来源：小宇宙
这期《豆腐国际》请到了 Armando（Vegan 农艺师 / 土壤计划 Horta Harmonia 创办人）和 Maureen（心理健康倡导者 / 诗人 / 屠宰场员工转型项目 Leave in Peace 发起人）。两人在美国结识，目前居住在葡萄牙。
Armando 在节目中分享了他们的 Horta Harmonia （「和谐花园」）项目：从当地咖啡店回收咖啡渣，并将这些原本可能进入垃圾填埋场的有机物转化为改善土壤的资源。他也谈到自己参与的欧洲土壤项目、土壤和堆肥工作坊，以及为什么健康的土壤与动物解放、食物系统和生态危机紧密相关。
Maureen 则分享了她的工作如何围绕心理健康、主权、安全感与身体感知展开。她长期服务于受制度影响的群体，并发起了 Leave in Peace 项目，帮助屠宰场工人寻找替代性的、较少暴力的工作。她认为，动物解放需要看见人类劳动者如何也被资本主义、移民制度、贫困与创伤困在暴力系统之中。
节目后半段我们谈了谈 veganic farming：不依赖动物粪便、骨粉、血粉、羽毛粉的农业。Armando 谈到种子所储存的几百万年累积下来的「知识」，谈到把双手放进土壤的孩子第一次看到种子发芽时的笑容。Maureen 把这条线引回到我们自己的身体——bioaccumulation（生物累积）——我们吃下动物时也吃下了动物的恐惧、压力激素与抗生素；种子、土壤、身体三者其实在同一条传承链上。
对于没有农地、生活在公寓中的人来说，两位嘉宾也谈论了城市生活中的 vegan 实践：veganism 不一定只能体现为消费选择。哪怕是把厨余从垃圾系统中转移出来，也是在重新建立与食物、土壤和生命循环的关系。买一块纯素奶酪并不会让我们离开那套同时剥削动物、毒害全球南方农民、专利化种子的资本系统。让身体重新连接土地与种子，意味着 Vegan 从「我不吃什么」变成「我和谁一起种、和什么一起活」。它让这套伦理有了根，而不仅仅是一个超市货架上的标签。
最后，我们回到一个很重要的主题：Veganism 不是一种自我压抑，也不是「不能买这个，不能吃那个」。它是一个重新获得自主性、重新照顾身体、重新感知世界的过程。
【时间轴】
00:00 开场与嘉宾介绍
00:30 Armando 的工作：和谐花园、咖啡渣循环与土壤项目
03:42 Maureen 的工作：心理健康、监禁体系与 Leave in Peace
07:23 相遇故事：关在笼子里的女孩与捡垃圾的帅男孩
11:00 艺术、农业与科学的融合
19:47 被便利性削弱的食物关系
20:50 从「非黑即白」到「从社会位置出发」
24:18 「人只有在感到安全时才能学习」
27:53 要不要让城市富裕阶层感到不舒服？
30:56 Leave in Peace：屠宰场工人与 PITS
49:13 「米饭+豆子」：Veganism 不精英
52:08 城市 vegans 如何建立自己与粮食的关系？
57:00 Veganic farming：绕开骨粉、血粉、羽毛粉的农业
01:02:46 气候不确定性与社区作为风险对冲
01:07:57 反对生命专利，守护「老种子」的知识
01:10:02 生物累积：身体也有知识
01:14:00 主权练习：自我触摸、暂停、反思
01:18:11 拥抱「动物性」、诗与赤脚踩土
01:21:23 食物主权能为小规模畜牧背书吗？
01:26:01 殖民主义和动物解放运动中的「白人救世主」情节
01:36:40 结尾：照顾身体、照顾社区、照顾感受
【🌱 相关链接】
帮助屠宰场工人转型计划：Leave in Peace: https://linktr.ee/leaveinpeace
Maureen 的亚洲创意写作工作坊 https://linktr.ee/YellowReclamation
Loess Plateau project in China - https://www.allcreation.org/home/regrowing-loess-plateau
Horta Harmonia on IG - https://www.instagram.com/hortaharmonia/
CURIOSOIL 实践社区（CoP）一个致力于在全欧洲提升土壤素养（soil literacy）的协作网络 - https://curiosoil.eu/community-of-practice/
Veganic Summit - https://veganicsummit.com/
Vegan Organic Network - https://veganorganic.net/ （可在油管搜索观看维根园艺师的视频和讲解）
Documentary about seeds - https://vandanashivamovie.com/
Gardening tips by Helen Hatthowe - https://veganicpermaculture.com/
In this episode of Tofu International, we are joined by Armando (vegan agriculturalist and founder of the Horta Harmonia soil project) and Maureen (mental health advocate, poet, and founder of Leave in Peace, a transition program for slaughterhouse workers). They met in the US, and now based in Protugal.
Armando walks us through Horta Harmonia — a project that collects coffee grounds from local cafés and turns organic matter that would otherwise end up in landfill into a resource for healthier soil. He also speaks about the European soil initiatives he is part of, the soil and compost workshops he runs, and why healthy soil is inseparable from animal liberation, our food systems, and the wider ecological crisis.
Maureen, in turn, shares how her work centers on mental health, sovereignty, safety, informed consent, and bodily awareness. She has spent over fifteen years serving system-impacted communities, and founded Leave in Peace to help slaughterhouse workers move into alternative, less violent employment. For her, animal liberation cannot stop at condemning individuals — we have to see how human laborers, too, are trapped inside this violent system by capitalism, immigration regimes, poverty, and trauma.
In the middle of the episode, we get into veganic farming — agriculture that does not rely on animal manure, bone meal, blood meal, or feather meal. Armando talks about seeds as carriers of "knowledge" accumulated over millions of years, and about the smile on a child's face the first time they put their hands in the soil and watch a seed sprout. Maureen pulls this thread back into our own bodies — bioaccumulation — when we eat an animal, we also ingest its fear, its stress hormones, the antibiotics it was fed. Seeds, soil, and bodies, it turns out, live on the same chain of inheritance.
In the second half, our guests turn to what vegan practice can look like in urban life. For people without farmland, living in apartments, veganism does not have to collapse into a consumer choice. Even diverting your kitchen scraps out of the waste stream is already an act of rebuilding a relationship with food, soil, and the cycles of life. Buying a block of vegan cheese will not get us out of a capitalist system that simultaneously exploits animals, poisons farmers in the Global South, and patents seeds. Letting the body reconnect with land and seeds turns Vegan from "what I don't eat" into "who I grow with, what I am alive alongside." It gives this ethics roots — instead of leaving it as a label on a supermarket shelf.
Finally, we come back to something that matters a great deal: veganism is not a form of self-denial, and it is not just "you can't buy this, you can't eat that." It can also be a process of reclaiming autonomy, of returning to the body, of re-sensing the world.
00:00 Opening and guest introductions
00:30 Armando's work: Harmony Garden, coffee-grounds recycling, and soil projects
03:42 Maureen's work: mental health, the carceral system, and Leave in Peace
07:23 How they met: the girl in the cage and the hot garbage guy
11:00 Where art, agriculture, and science meet
19:47 How convenience erodes our relationship with food
20:50 From "black-and-white" to starting from social location
24:18 "People can only learn when they feel safe"
27:53 Should we make the affluent city class uncomfortable?
30:56 Leave in Peace: slaughterhouse workers and PITS
49:13 "Rice and beans": veganism is not elitist
52:08 How urban vegans can build their own relationship with food
57:00 Veganic farming: agriculture without bone meal, blood meal, or feather meal
01:02:46 Climate uncertainty and community as a hedge against risk
01:07:57 Against patenting life: protecting the knowledge of "old seeds"
01:10:02 Bioaccumulation: the body has its own knowledge too
01:14:00 Sovereignty practices: self-touch, pause, reflection
01:18:11 Embracing animality, poetry, and walking barefoot on the earth
01:21:23 Can food sovereignty justify small-scale animal husbandry?
01:26:01 Colonialism and the "white savior" complex in the animal liberation movement
01:36:40 Closing: care for the body, the community, and the capacity to feel
Armando 在节目中分享了他们的 Horta Harmonia （「和谐花园」）项目：从当地咖啡店回收咖啡渣，并将这些原本可能进入垃圾填埋场的有机物转化为改善土壤的资源。他也谈到自己参与的欧洲土壤项目、土壤和堆肥工作坊，以及为什么健康的土壤与动物解放、食物系统和生态危机紧密相关。
Maureen 则分享了她的工作如何围绕心理健康、主权、安全感与身体感知展开。她长期服务于受制度影响的群体，并发起了 Leave in Peace 项目，帮助屠宰场工人寻找替代性的、较少暴力的工作。她认为，动物解放需要看见人类劳动者如何也被资本主义、移民制度、贫困与创伤困在暴力系统之中。
节目后半段我们谈了谈 veganic farming：不依赖动物粪便、骨粉、血粉、羽毛粉的农业。Armando 谈到种子所储存的几百万年累积下来的「知识」，谈到把双手放进土壤的孩子第一次看到种子发芽时的笑容。Maureen 把这条线引回到我们自己的身体——bioaccumulation（生物累积）——我们吃下动物时也吃下了动物的恐惧、压力激素与抗生素；种子、土壤、身体三者其实在同一条传承链上。
对于没有农地、生活在公寓中的人来说，两位嘉宾也谈论了城市生活中的 vegan 实践：veganism 不一定只能体现为消费选择。哪怕是把厨余从垃圾系统中转移出来，也是在重新建立与食物、土壤和生命循环的关系。买一块纯素奶酪并不会让我们离开那套同时剥削动物、毒害全球南方农民、专利化种子的资本系统。让身体重新连接土地与种子，意味着 Vegan 从「我不吃什么」变成「我和谁一起种、和什么一起活」。它让这套伦理有了根，而不仅仅是一个超市货架上的标签。
最后，我们回到一个很重要的主题：Veganism 不是一种自我压抑，也不是「不能买这个，不能吃那个」。它是一个重新获得自主性、重新照顾身体、重新感知世界的过程。
【时间轴】
00:00 开场与嘉宾介绍
00:30 Armando 的工作：和谐花园、咖啡渣循环与土壤项目
03:42 Maureen 的工作：心理健康、监禁体系与 Leave in Peace
07:23 相遇故事：关在笼子里的女孩与捡垃圾的帅男孩
11:00 艺术、农业与科学的融合
19:47 被便利性削弱的食物关系
20:50 从「非黑即白」到「从社会位置出发」
24:18 「人只有在感到安全时才能学习」
27:53 要不要让城市富裕阶层感到不舒服？
30:56 Leave in Peace：屠宰场工人与 PITS
49:13 「米饭+豆子」：Veganism 不精英
52:08 城市 vegans 如何建立自己与粮食的关系？
57:00 Veganic farming：绕开骨粉、血粉、羽毛粉的农业
01:02:46 气候不确定性与社区作为风险对冲
01:07:57 反对生命专利，守护「老种子」的知识
01:10:02 生物累积：身体也有知识
01:14:00 主权练习：自我触摸、暂停、反思
01:18:11 拥抱「动物性」、诗与赤脚踩土
01:21:23 食物主权能为小规模畜牧背书吗？
01:26:01 殖民主义和动物解放运动中的「白人救世主」情节
01:36:40 结尾：照顾身体、照顾社区、照顾感受
【🌱 相关链接】
帮助屠宰场工人转型计划：Leave in Peace: https://linktr.ee/leaveinpeace
Maureen 的亚洲创意写作工作坊 https://linktr.ee/YellowReclamation
Loess Plateau project in China - https://www.allcreation.org/home/regrowing-loess-plateau
Horta Harmonia on IG - https://www.instagram.com/hortaharmonia/
CURIOSOIL 实践社区（CoP）一个致力于在全欧洲提升土壤素养（soil literacy）的协作网络 - https://curiosoil.eu/community-of-practice/
Veganic Summit - https://veganicsummit.com/
Vegan Organic Network - https://veganorganic.net/ （可在油管搜索观看维根园艺师的视频和讲解）
Documentary about seeds - https://vandanashivamovie.com/
Gardening tips by Helen Hatthowe - https://veganicpermaculture.com/
In this episode of Tofu International, we are joined by Armando (vegan agriculturalist and founder of the Horta Harmonia soil project) and Maureen (mental health advocate, poet, and founder of Leave in Peace, a transition program for slaughterhouse workers). They met in the US, and now based in Protugal.
Armando walks us through Horta Harmonia — a project that collects coffee grounds from local cafés and turns organic matter that would otherwise end up in landfill into a resource for healthier soil. He also speaks about the European soil initiatives he is part of, the soil and compost workshops he runs, and why healthy soil is inseparable from animal liberation, our food systems, and the wider ecological crisis.
Maureen, in turn, shares how her work centers on mental health, sovereignty, safety, informed consent, and bodily awareness. She has spent over fifteen years serving system-impacted communities, and founded Leave in Peace to help slaughterhouse workers move into alternative, less violent employment. For her, animal liberation cannot stop at condemning individuals — we have to see how human laborers, too, are trapped inside this violent system by capitalism, immigration regimes, poverty, and trauma.
In the middle of the episode, we get into veganic farming — agriculture that does not rely on animal manure, bone meal, blood meal, or feather meal. Armando talks about seeds as carriers of "knowledge" accumulated over millions of years, and about the smile on a child's face the first time they put their hands in the soil and watch a seed sprout. Maureen pulls this thread back into our own bodies — bioaccumulation — when we eat an animal, we also ingest its fear, its stress hormones, the antibiotics it was fed. Seeds, soil, and bodies, it turns out, live on the same chain of inheritance.
In the second half, our guests turn to what vegan practice can look like in urban life. For people without farmland, living in apartments, veganism does not have to collapse into a consumer choice. Even diverting your kitchen scraps out of the waste stream is already an act of rebuilding a relationship with food, soil, and the cycles of life. Buying a block of vegan cheese will not get us out of a capitalist system that simultaneously exploits animals, poisons farmers in the Global South, and patents seeds. Letting the body reconnect with land and seeds turns Vegan from "what I don't eat" into "who I grow with, what I am alive alongside." It gives this ethics roots — instead of leaving it as a label on a supermarket shelf.
Finally, we come back to something that matters a great deal: veganism is not a form of self-denial, and it is not just "you can't buy this, you can't eat that." It can also be a process of reclaiming autonomy, of returning to the body, of re-sensing the world.
00:00 Opening and guest introductions
00:30 Armando's work: Harmony Garden, coffee-grounds recycling, and soil projects
03:42 Maureen's work: mental health, the carceral system, and Leave in Peace
07:23 How they met: the girl in the cage and the hot garbage guy
11:00 Where art, agriculture, and science meet
19:47 How convenience erodes our relationship with food
20:50 From "black-and-white" to starting from social location
24:18 "People can only learn when they feel safe"
27:53 Should we make the affluent city class uncomfortable?
30:56 Leave in Peace: slaughterhouse workers and PITS
49:13 "Rice and beans": veganism is not elitist
52:08 How urban vegans can build their own relationship with food
57:00 Veganic farming: agriculture without bone meal, blood meal, or feather meal
01:02:46 Climate uncertainty and community as a hedge against risk
01:07:57 Against patenting life: protecting the knowledge of "old seeds"
01:10:02 Bioaccumulation: the body has its own knowledge too
01:14:00 Sovereignty practices: self-touch, pause, reflection
01:18:11 Embracing animality, poetry, and walking barefoot on the earth
01:21:23 Can food sovereignty justify small-scale animal husbandry?
01:26:01 Colonialism and the "white savior" complex in the animal liberation movement
01:36:40 Closing: care for the body, the community, and the capacity to feel
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吉林
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山东
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女生所言极是，Wellfarism is a path to abolishionism，在这个废除主义遥遥无期的状况下，福利主义不失为改革前的改良；男生好真诚啊，他能坦言在菲律宾作为一个白人，it felt nice for my ego；男生的家人论断了我的成见，素食是不能被劝说的，只有心中有个很善良的萌芽，适当的阳光和水才能长大；全片采访的主旨甚至是这个播客的主旨，都被女生一言以概之，就是Leave them fuck alone, eat Your own ass！😎
