托尔金的树叶：大师的人生与创作 - 节目列表

主讲：江南辰、文津 插画：文津 剪辑：Lulu 本期节目来聊聊《指环王》《霍比特人》系列电影的设定与小说设定的异同。作为中洲世界的旅人，我们早已不满足于对中洲世界单一维度的探索，在扣人心弦的故事之外，我们渴望了解与之相关的更多细节。因此我们将开设这个主题板块，在其中会以读者和影迷的双重身份，从地理、历史、角色塑造、视觉呈现等多种角度来重新游历故事发生的路线。前几天B站上线了六部曲，弹幕里，原著粉和电影粉依然时不时地吵成一团。而我们做这个板块的目的绝非判定原著与电影改编的优劣，而是希望通过文学与影像共同作用的方式，来使大家获得关于中洲世界的更丰富的信息。 这期就从最可爱的霍比屯开始。 托尔金在《霍比特人》小说的开篇写道：“在地底的洞府中住着一个霍比特人。这不是那种让人恶心的洞，脏兮兮湿乎乎的，长满虫子，透着一股子泥腥味儿；也不是那种满是沙子的洞，干巴巴光秃秃的，没地方好坐，也没东西好吃。这是一个霍比特人的洞，而霍比特人的洞就意味着舒适。” 那么—— √一个舒适的霍比特人的洞到底是什么样子的？ √霍比特们生活在哪里？ √他们是何时开始在这片土地上繁衍生息的？ √托尔金脑海中的霍比特居住地是怎样的一幅图景？ √电影是怎样把托尔金的这幅图景变成银幕之上真实可见的视觉影像的？ 【夏尔地图】 【托尔金的画】 从上到下分别是：《小丘下袋底洞》、《甘道夫》、《袋底洞》钢笔画 从上到下分别是：one morning in the quiet of the world、《袋底洞》钢笔画、《袋底洞》水彩 【伯明翰实景图】摄影：文津 【伯明翰郊区Sarehole实景图】图源：网络 图1、2为磨坊；图4为沼泽。 【电影场景和道具】 袋底洞内景 霍比屯外景 图1：JH概念设计图 图2、3：施工中的霍比屯 霍比屯外景。摄影：文津 图1：甘姆吉的家 图4：绿龙和磨坊 图5、6：细节呈现 【霍比屯位置分析图】 南辰设计 图2、3为WETA周边

主讲：江南辰、文津插画：文津剪辑：Lulu本期节目来聊聊《指环王》《霍比特人》系列电影的设定与小说设定的异同。作为中洲世界的旅人，我们早已不满足于对中洲世界单一维度的探索，在扣人心弦的故事之外，我们渴望了解与之相关的更多细节。因此我们将开设这个主题板块，在其中会以读者和影迷的双重身份，从地理、历史、角色塑造、视觉呈现等多种角度来重新游历故事发生的路线。前几天B站上线了六部曲，弹幕里，原著粉和电影粉依然时不时地吵成一团。而我们做这个板块的目的绝非判定原著与电影改编的优劣，而是希望通过文学与影像共同作用的方式，来使大家获得关于中洲世界的更丰富的信息。这期就从最可爱的霍比屯开始。托尔金在《霍比特人》小说的开篇写道：“在地底的洞府中住着一个霍比特人。这不是那种让人恶心的洞，脏兮兮湿乎乎的，长满虫子，透着一股子泥腥味儿；也不是那种满是沙子的洞，干巴巴光秃秃的，没地方好坐，也没东西好吃。这是一个霍比特人的洞，而霍比特人的洞就意味着舒适。”那么——√一个舒适的霍比特人的洞到底是什么样子的？√霍比特们生活在哪里？√他们是何时开始在这片土地上繁衍生息的？√托尔金脑海中的霍比特居住地是怎样的一幅图景？√电影是怎样把托尔金的这幅图景变成银幕之上真实可见的视觉影像的？【夏尔地图】【托尔金的画】从上到下分别是：《小丘下袋底洞》、《甘道夫》、《袋底洞》钢笔画从上到下分别是：one morning in the quiet of the world、《袋底洞》钢笔画、《袋底洞》水彩【伯明翰实景图】摄影：文津【伯明翰郊区Sarehole实景图】图源：网络图1、2为磨坊；图4为沼泽。【电影场景和道具】袋底洞内景霍比屯外景图1：JH概念设计图图2、3：施工中的霍比屯霍比屯外景。摄影：文津图1：甘姆吉的家图4：绿龙和磨坊图5、6：细节呈现【霍比屯位置分析图】南辰设计图2、3为WETA周边

主讲：江南辰、文津 插画：文津 剪辑：Lulu 本期节目最后有彩蛋、有彩蛋、有彩蛋！ 本期是“生与死”主题的最后一期，我们要来聊聊托尔金创作中的“仙境”，或者说“人间天堂”，以及托尔金对于抵达仙境的可能与期许，发生了怎样的心境与态度变化。除了中洲神话的相关创作，节目中还会提到托尔金的其他小说创作，它们同样动人、清新，深藏作者对人生、死亡、此岸与彼岸的思考。 开头引用了托尔金最著名的讲演之一《论童话》： FAERIE is a perilous land, and in it are pitfalls for the unwary and dungeons for the overbold… The realm of fairy-story is wide and deep and high and filled with many things: all manner of beasts and birds are found there; shoreless seas and stars uncounted; beauty that is an enchantment, and an ever-present peril; both joy and sorrow as sharp as swords. In that realm a man may, perhaps, count himself fortunate to have wandered, but its very richness and strangeness tie the tongue of a traveller who would report them. And while he is there it is dangerous for him to ask too many questions, lest the gates should be shut and the keys be lost. 本期要点： ①第一类仙境：渴望，也终将抵达——《尼格尔的树叶》 ②第二类仙境：渴望，也曾抵达，却无法停留，终于失去——《大伍屯的铁匠》 ③第三类仙境：渴望，却无法抵达——努门诺尔、维林诺、《汤姆·邦巴迪尔历险记》 ④有幸得以一瞥的仙境：《罗弗兰登》 节目中朗读的几段英语原文如下： 《大伍屯的铁匠》中的三段 《汤姆·邦巴迪尔历险记》之The Last Ship The oars were stayed. They turned aside: ‘Do you hear the call, Earth-maiden? Firiel! Firiel!’ they cried. ‘Our ship is not full-laden. One more only we may bear. Come! For your days are speeding. Come! Earth-maiden elven-fair, Our last call heeding.’ Firiel looked from the river-bank, One step daring; Then deep in clay her feet sank, And she halted staring. Slowly the elven-ship went by Whispering through the water: ‘I cannot come!’ they heard her cry. ‘I was born Earth’s daughter!’ 《罗弗兰登》片段： Another time he took them to the other side (or as near as he dared), and that was a still longer and more exciting journey, the most marvellous of all Roverandom’s travels, as he realized later, when he was grown to be an older and a wiser dog. It would take the whole of another story, at least , to tell you of all their adventures in Uncharted Waters and of their glimpses of lands unknown to geography, before they passed the Shadowy Seas and reached the great Bay of Fairyland (as we call it) beyond the Magic Isles; and saw far off in the last West the Mountains of Elvenhome and the light of Faery upon the waves. Roverandom thought he caught a glimpse of the city of the Elves on the green hill beneath the Mountains, a glint of white far away; but Uin dived again so suddenly that he could not be sure. If he was right, he is one of the very few creatures, on two legs or four, who can walk about our own lands and say they have glimpsed that other land, however far away.

主讲：江南辰、文津插画：文津剪辑：Lulu本期节目最后有彩蛋、有彩蛋、有彩蛋！本期是“生与死”主题的最后一期，我们要来聊聊托尔金创作中的“仙境”，或者说“人间天堂”，以及托尔金对于抵达仙境的可能与期许，发生了怎样的心境与态度变化。除了中洲神话的相关创作，节目中还会提到托尔金的其他小说创作，它们同样动人、清新，深藏作者对人生、死亡、此岸与彼岸的思考。开头引用了托尔金最著名的讲演之一《论童话》：FAERIE is a perilous land, and in it are pitfalls for the unwary and dungeons for the overbold… The realm of fairy-story is wide and deep and high and filled with many things: all manner of beasts and birds are found there; shoreless seas and stars uncounted; beauty that is an enchantment, and an ever-present peril; both joy and sorrow as sharp as swords. In that realm a man may, perhaps, count himself fortunate to have wandered, but its very richness and strangeness tie the tongue of a traveller who would report them. And while he is there it is dangerous for him to ask too many questions, lest the gates should be shut and the keys be lost.本期要点：①第一类仙境：渴望，也终将抵达——《尼格尔的树叶》②第二类仙境：渴望，也曾抵达，却无法停留，终于失去——《大伍屯的铁匠》③第三类仙境：渴望，却无法抵达——努门诺尔、维林诺、《汤姆·邦巴迪尔历险记》④有幸得以一瞥的仙境：《罗弗兰登》节目中朗读的几段英语原文如下：《大伍屯的铁匠》中的三段《汤姆·邦巴迪尔历险记》之The Last ShipThe oars were stayed. They turned aside:‘Do you hear the call, Earth-maiden?Firiel! Firiel!’ they cried.‘Our ship is not full-laden.One more only we may bear.Come! For your days are speeding.Come! Earth-maiden elven-fair,Our last call heeding.’ Firiel looked from the river-bank,One step daring;Then deep in clay her feet sank,And she halted staring.Slowly the elven-ship went byWhispering through the water:‘I cannot come!’ they heard her cry.‘I was born Earth’s daughter!’《罗弗兰登》片段：Another time he took them to the other side (or as near as he dared), and that was a still longer and more exciting journey, the most marvellous of all Roverandom’s travels, as he realized later, when he was grown to be an older and a wiser dog. It would take the whole of another story, at least , to tell you of all their adventures in Uncharted Waters and of their glimpses of lands unknown to geography, before they passed the Shadowy Seas and reached the great Bay of Fairyland (as we call it) beyond the Magic Isles; and saw far off in the last West the Mountains of Elvenhome and the light of Faery upon the waves. Roverandom thought he caught a glimpse of the city of the Elves on the green hill beneath the Mountains, a glint of white far away; but Uin dived again so suddenly that he could not be sure. If he was right, he is one of the very few creatures, on two legs or four, who can walk about our own lands and say they have glimpsed that other land, however far away.

录制：江南辰、文津、Lulu 插画：文津 剪辑：Lulu 本期对我们来说是难到头秃的一期，它关于托老中洲神话创作里至关重要又魅力无穷的一篇文章：《芬罗德和安德瑞丝的辩论》。 超级求生欲： ①对这篇文章，我们以分享为主，只有很少量的带有主观色彩的评论。大家知识、经验都有限，观点不免偏颇，请包涵，也请指正。 ②因文章带有强烈的宗教色彩，大家要把托老的这些思辨放到他的宗教思想框架去看，才能更客观地理解。 辩论的内容概述： Finrod感慨人类的短寿，但Andreth却认为短寿并非人类本质，而是魔影刻意所为。如果不是魔苟斯做了手脚，人类也是永生的。就“做了手脚”这个说法，Finrod一开始认为，只要活在物质都被魔苟斯玷污了的伤毁的阿尔达，肉身与寿数自然是要受损的。不止人类如此，精灵也会因生存于中洲而受到耗损。但随着辩论深入，他突然意识到Andreth所言，是指死亡是魔苟斯强加给人类，是他专门对人类实施的打击。这让Finrod受到了极大的惊吓，因为世界是一如创造的，死亡也是一如创造并赠送给人类的，若真相是魔苟斯能把死亡强加给人类，那不就意味着他要取一如而代之吗？那不就意味着世界都是魔苟斯的了吗？ 于是顺着这根藤，两人又聊到了关于永生、永死、灵与肉的归属、如何看待阿尔达的种种截然不同的看法上。随着灵肉和谐与否、自然与否的辩论深入，Finrod又突然意识到，一如创造了人类，是否在他们身上赋予了拯救阿尔达、治愈阿尔达的使命呢？只是Andreth为死亡的阴影而绝望，她甚至怀疑起自己到底是谁的儿女，是一如的，还是魔苟斯的。但她也提到一种古老的“希望”，就是一如会下凡救世，只是她不明白，浩瀚无穷的一如，要如何做到下凡。但她的信息却给了Finrod无上的希望，振奋了对方的心情，因为这种福音，精灵一族并未被告知，只有人类知道。一人一精就这样，从互相惊吓，进入了互给希望的阶段。进而聊起了儿女情长，也就是Andreth对死亡心结的根源——她对Finrod弟弟的爱。 精读要点： ①精灵、人类传统观念对比 ②Finrod结合两大观念的认知所做出的推导 ③为何人类和精灵无法互相理解？ ④他们聊到的“希望”是什么？ ⑤阿尔达的希望建立在什么上？

录制：江南辰、文津、Lulu插画：文津剪辑：Lulu本期对我们来说是难到头秃的一期，它关于托老中洲神话创作里至关重要又魅力无穷的一篇文章：《芬罗德和安德瑞丝的辩论》。超级求生欲：①对这篇文章，我们以分享为主，只有很少量的带有主观色彩的评论。大家知识、经验都有限，观点不免偏颇，请包涵，也请指正。②因文章带有强烈的宗教色彩，大家要把托老的这些思辨放到他的宗教思想框架去看，才能更客观地理解。辩论的内容概述：Finrod感慨人类的短寿，但Andreth却认为短寿并非人类本质，而是魔影刻意所为。如果不是魔苟斯做了手脚，人类也是永生的。就“做了手脚”这个说法，Finrod一开始认为，只要活在物质都被魔苟斯玷污了的伤毁的阿尔达，肉身与寿数自然是要受损的。不止人类如此，精灵也会因生存于中洲而受到耗损。但随着辩论深入，他突然意识到Andreth所言，是指死亡是魔苟斯强加给人类，是他专门对人类实施的打击。这让Finrod受到了极大的惊吓，因为世界是一如创造的，死亡也是一如创造并赠送给人类的，若真相是魔苟斯能把死亡强加给人类，那不就意味着他要取一如而代之吗？那不就意味着世界都是魔苟斯的了吗？于是顺着这根藤，两人又聊到了关于永生、永死、灵与肉的归属、如何看待阿尔达的种种截然不同的看法上。随着灵肉和谐与否、自然与否的辩论深入，Finrod又突然意识到，一如创造了人类，是否在他们身上赋予了拯救阿尔达、治愈阿尔达的使命呢？只是Andreth为死亡的阴影而绝望，她甚至怀疑起自己到底是谁的儿女，是一如的，还是魔苟斯的。但她也提到一种古老的“希望”，就是一如会下凡救世，只是她不明白，浩瀚无穷的一如，要如何做到下凡。但她的信息却给了Finrod无上的希望，振奋了对方的心情，因为这种福音，精灵一族并未被告知，只有人类知道。一人一精就这样，从互相惊吓，进入了互给希望的阶段。进而聊起了儿女情长，也就是Andreth对死亡心结的根源——她对Finrod弟弟的爱。精读要点：①精灵、人类传统观念对比②Finrod结合两大观念的认知所做出的推导③为何人类和精灵无法互相理解？④他们聊到的“希望”是什么？⑤阿尔达的希望建立在什么上？

主讲：江南辰、文津 插画：文津 剪辑：Lulu 本期节目是生与死的沉重主题间的轻松一刻。 内容非常有趣，关于托老对文献伪造、道具制作的狂热。 南辰通过西界红皮书、《失落故事集》、“理念俱乐部会议实录”这几个案例与大家分享了托尔金在文献的概念设定方面所花的功夫；而文津则通过瑟罗尔地图、马扎布尔之书、梭林给比尔博的信这几件“道具”的案例，与大家分享了托尔金的做法和Weta工作室的做法，并在最后附加了一个详细、专业的道具复制手工教程，不要错过哦。 本期的词语小知识在最后哦。 节目中提到的伪文献与道具的图。 西界红皮书 托尔金刻意将文章中的有些字眼拿掉，就如同历史上真正的文献那样，许多记载在岁月中消损，经由多人的抄录，变得不再完整。 瑟罗尔的地图草稿 瑟罗尔的地图-比尔博的拷贝 瑟罗尔的地图-最终版本 镜像月亮符文 电影中的地图-新 电影中的地图-旧 Weta工作室的瑟罗尔地图-正面 Weta工作室的瑟罗尔地图-背面 马扎布尔之书 梭林的信 电影道具合同 电影中的其他道具 文津亲自制作的仿旧信件

主讲：江南辰、文津插画：文津剪辑：Lulu本期节目是生与死的沉重主题间的轻松一刻。内容非常有趣，关于托老对文献伪造、道具制作的狂热。南辰通过西界红皮书、《失落故事集》、“理念俱乐部会议实录”这几个案例与大家分享了托尔金在文献的概念设定方面所花的功夫；而文津则通过瑟罗尔地图、马扎布尔之书、梭林给比尔博的信这几件“道具”的案例，与大家分享了托尔金的做法和Weta工作室的做法，并在最后附加了一个详细、专业的道具复制手工教程，不要错过哦。本期的词语小知识在最后哦。节目中提到的伪文献与道具的图。西界红皮书托尔金刻意将文章中的有些字眼拿掉，就如同历史上真正的文献那样，许多记载在岁月中消损，经由多人的抄录，变得不再完整。瑟罗尔的地图草稿瑟罗尔的地图-比尔博的拷贝瑟罗尔的地图-最终版本镜像月亮符文电影中的地图-新电影中的地图-旧Weta工作室的瑟罗尔地图-正面Weta工作室的瑟罗尔地图-背面马扎布尔之书梭林的信电影道具合同电影中的其他道具文津亲自制作的仿旧信件

主讲：江南辰 插画：文津 剪辑：Lulu 本期文津因突如其来的私人工作，所以没有参加录制。因此是南辰一个人的说书式分享。并且在大约7分钟左右，突然进入抑扬顿挫的戏精模式。（顶锅盖飞逃~） 内容还是非常清晰有趣的。主要分享了与托老的生死观关系重大的几个问题： 精灵二婚要征得维拉的同意？ 第一部精灵的《婚姻法》是啥？ 为何说重生的弥瑞尔用的是原来的肉身而露西恩却不是？ 伤毁的阿尔达、未伤毁的阿尔达、治愈的阿尔达分别是什么？ 特别提醒，托老的观点须置于其宗教信仰的精神背景下看。 南辰在节目中读到的两段英文原文如下： Then Yavanna spoke, and though she was thespouse of Aule she leaned rather to Ulmo. 'My lord Aule errs,' she said, 'inthat he speaks of Finwe and Miriel as being free in heart and thought from theShadow, as if that proved that naught that befell them could come from theShadow or from the marring of Arda. But even as the Children are not as we (whocame from beyond Arda wholly and in all our being) but are both spirit andbody, and that body is of Arda and by Arda was nourished: so the Shadow workethnot only upon spirits, but has marred the very hron of Arda, and allMiddle-earth is perverted by the evil of Melkor, who has wrought in it asmightily as any one among us here. Therefore none of those who awoke inMiddle-earth, and there dwelt before they came hither, have come here wholly free.The failing of the strength of the body of Miriel may then be ascribed, withsome reason, to the evil of Arda Marred, and her death be a thing unnatural. （Morgoth's Ring，P241） For Arda Unmarred hath two aspects orsenses. The first is the Unmarred that they discern in the Marred, if theireyes are not dimmed, and yearn for, as we yearn for the Will of Eru: this isthe ground upon which Hope is built. The second is the Unmarred that shall be:that is, to speak according to Time in which they have their being, the ArdaHealed, which shall be greater and more fair than the first, because of theMarring: this is the Hope that sustaineth. It cometh not only from the yearningfor the Will of Iluvatar the Begetter (which by itself may lead those withinTime to no more than regret), but also from trust in Eru the Lord everlasting,that he is good, and that his works shall all end in good. This the Marrer hathdenied,and in this denial is the root of evil, and its end is in despair. （Morgoth's Ring，P245）

主讲：江南辰插画：文津剪辑：Lulu本期文津因突如其来的私人工作，所以没有参加录制。因此是南辰一个人的说书式分享。并且在大约7分钟左右，突然进入抑扬顿挫的戏精模式。（顶锅盖飞逃~）内容还是非常清晰有趣的。主要分享了与托老的生死观关系重大的几个问题：精灵二婚要征得维拉的同意？第一部精灵的《婚姻法》是啥？为何说重生的弥瑞尔用的是原来的肉身而露西恩却不是？伤毁的阿尔达、未伤毁的阿尔达、治愈的阿尔达分别是什么？特别提醒，托老的观点须置于其宗教信仰的精神背景下看。南辰在节目中读到的两段英文原文如下：Then Yavanna spoke, and though she was thespouse of Aule she leaned rather to Ulmo. 'My lord Aule errs,' she said, 'inthat he speaks of Finwe and Miriel as being free in heart and thought from theShadow, as if that proved that naught that befell them could come from theShadow or from the marring of Arda. But even as the Children are not as we (whocame from beyond Arda wholly and in all our being) but are both spirit andbody, and that body is of Arda and by Arda was nourished: so the Shadow workethnot only upon spirits, but has marred the very hron of Arda, and allMiddle-earth is perverted by the evil of Melkor, who has wrought in it asmightily as any one among us here. Therefore none of those who awoke inMiddle-earth, and there dwelt before they came hither, have come here wholly free.The failing of the strength of the body of Miriel may then be ascribed, withsome reason, to the evil of Arda Marred, and her death be a thing unnatural.（Morgoth's Ring，P241）For Arda Unmarred hath two aspects orsenses. The first is the Unmarred that they discern in the Marred, if theireyes are not dimmed, and yearn for, as we yearn for the Will of Eru: this isthe ground upon which Hope is built. The second is the Unmarred that shall be:that is, to speak according to Time in which they have their being, the ArdaHealed, which shall be greater and more fair than the first, because of theMarring: this is the Hope that sustaineth. It cometh not only from the yearningfor the Will of Iluvatar the Begetter (which by itself may lead those withinTime to no more than regret), but also from trust in Eru the Lord everlasting,that he is good, and that his works shall all end in good. This the Marrer hathdenied,and in this denial is the root of evil, and its end is in despair.（Morgoth's Ring，P245）

主讲：江南辰、文津 插画：文津 剪辑：Lulu 在托老的神话世界观里，灵魂和肉体的设定是什么？ 精灵、人类、矮人的灵魂在离开肉体后会去向哪里？ 精灵的灵魂去到曼督斯的殿堂后都在干些啥？ 甘道夫原来是个告解神父？他在第三纪元从灰袍变成白袍的本质是啥？ 徘徊者（lingerer）和无房户(houseless）是什么？ 本期节目我们将主要分享这些内容，有兴趣的可以听听看。这期的词语小知识是直接融在节目中的，一开头就讲了，没有单独列为一个版块。

主讲：江南辰、文津插画：文津剪辑：Lulu在托老的神话世界观里，灵魂和肉体的设定是什么？精灵、人类、矮人的灵魂在离开肉体后会去向哪里？精灵的灵魂去到曼督斯的殿堂后都在干些啥？甘道夫原来是个告解神父？他在第三纪元从灰袍变成白袍的本质是啥？徘徊者（lingerer）和无房户(houseless）是什么？本期节目我们将主要分享这些内容，有兴趣的可以听听看。这期的词语小知识是直接融在节目中的，一开头就讲了，没有单独列为一个版块。