Charles Zeng owns the Charlie's Burger restaurant chain. As a Shanghai-based restauranteur, he recounts stories about operating during the 2022 lockdown. We talk pizza in China, debate over American-Chinese food and rising violence in the US. We also talk about dealing with anxiety, the "Art of being Stupid" and the "Art of War". We discuss the AI program ChatGPT, the fear of Artificial Intelligence taking over soon and we are reminded that we are the last generation to have known a world before the internet.

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