Melanie Mitchell is a professor of computer science at Portland State University and an external professor at Santa Fe Institute. She has worked on and written about artificial intelligence from fascinating perspectives including adaptive complex systems, genetic algorithms, and the Copycat cognitive architecture which places the process of analogy making at the core of human cognition. From her doctoral work with her advisors Douglas Hofstadter and John Holland to today, she has contributed a lot of important ideas to the field of AI, including her recent book, simply called Artificial Intelligence: A Guide for Thinking Humans.

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Episode Links:

AI: A Guide for Thinking Humans (book)

Here’s the outline of the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time.

00:00 – Introduction

02:33 – The term “artificial intelligence”

06:30 – Line between weak and strong AI

12:46 – Why have people dreamed of creating AI?

15:24 – Complex systems and intelligence

18:38 – Why are we bad at predicting the future with regard to AI?

22:05 – Are fundamental breakthroughs in AI needed?

25:13 – Different AI communities

31:28 – Copycat cognitive architecture

36:51 – Concepts and analogies

55:33 – Deep learning and the formation of concepts

1:09:07 – Autonomous vehicles

1:20:21 – Embodied AI and emotion

1:25:01 – Fear of superintelligent AI

1:36:14 – Good test for intelligence

1:38:09 – What is complexity?

1:43:09 – Santa Fe Institute

1:47:34 – Douglas Hofstadter

1:49:42 – Proudest moment