欢迎到豆瓣收听《废话燃料》第77届戛纳电影节相关节目，感谢豆瓣的支持！

媒体见面会上还没跟贾樟柯导演聊够！所以我又找到机会，跟他面对面坐下来，更为详细地聊了聊新片《风流一代》的创作过程。以及大家可能较为好奇的，作为一对如此亲密无间的伴侣，贾樟柯和赵涛的工作模式到底是什么样的？在贾樟柯眼中，演员赵涛经历过怎样的成长？

我跟贾樟柯还算有缘，在平遥国际电影展上曾数次与他擦肩而过，但这是我第一次能跟他进行深入对话的机会。2021年我曾去过贾樟柯的故乡——汾阳贾家庄，留下过一张照片。当时照片上的景致非常吸引我，我就在想，会不会有哪个导演在这里做做文章呢？我没想到，这个导演会是贾樟柯本人。

所以，本期节目的谈话就始于一张照片，一段记忆。

1:41 贾家庄种子影院之外的茶社，与《风流一代》的勾连

4:30《风流一代》的叙述风格，关于“伪记录电影”的讨论

6:09 剪辑的思路，以疫情为终点

10:25 片名的由来

11:14 几部作品中的“巧巧”，贾樟柯电影宇宙是怎么个事儿？

14:26 “我并不强调地域性，我只是对模糊化比较反感”

15:32 “巧巧”的变化，从恋爱脑走向独立

18:16 与赵涛合作的工作方法，拍《世界》时带来的惊喜

21:16 选择《杀死那个石家庄人》，“我就是摇滚迷”

23:15 影片中的科技线索

25:24 22秒的“假好莱坞大片”，大费周折

26:58 导演贾樟柯评价演员贾樟柯

28:29 关于《不浪漫》，进展咋样了？

30:09 通过作品与同行交流，发现世界电影关注面向与中国电影的不同

33:17 关于戛纳拿奖的想法

Shownotes in English:

Welcome to Douban.com to listen to the program related to “NonsenseFuel” 77th Cannes Film Festival, thanks to Douban!

I didn't get to talk to director Jia Zhangke enough at the press conference! So I found another opportunity to sit down face-to-face with Jia to talk in more detail about the creative process of the new movie Caught By Tides. As you may be curious, as a pair of such intimate partners, what exactly is the working mode of Jia and Zhao Tao? In the eyes of Jia, what kind of growth has actress Zhao Tao experienced?

I've had a good relationship with Jia, having rubbed shoulders with him several times at the Pingyao crouching tiger hidden dragon International Film Festival, but this is the first time I've been able to have an in-depth conversation with him.2021 I visited Jia's hometown of Fenyang Jiajiazhuang, leaving behind a photo. At that time, the scenery on the photo was very attractive to me, and I wondered if any director would do something here. I didn't expect that the director would be Jia Zhangke himself.

So, the conversation in this program starts with a photo and a memory.

1:41 Tea house outside of Jajiazhuang's Seed Cinema, hooking up with Caught By Tides

4:30 Narrative style of Caught By Tides, discussion of “pseudo-documentary cinema”.

6:09 The idea of editing, ending with the epidemic.

10:25 The origin of the title

11:14 “Coincidence” in several works, what's the deal with Jia Zhangke's cinematic universe?

14:26 “I don't emphasize locality, I'm just averse to ambiguity”

15:32 Changes in “Qiaoqiao”, from love bird to independence

18:16 Working methods with Zhao Tao, the surprises that came with making World

21:16 Choosing backing track, “I'm just a rock fan”

23:15 Tech clues in the movie

25:24 The 22 seconds “fake Hollywood blockbuster” was a huge effort

26:58 Director Jia Zhangke on actor Jia Zhangke

28:29 What's happening with Pseudo Idealist?

30:09 Through the exchange of works with peers, Jia discovered the difference between the focus of world cinema and Chinese cinema.

33:17 Thoughts on winning awards at Cannes

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